Odds & Ends II, also the last lecture

     Note:  I will try to post more details on the exam by next Thursday (4/29)

     Also, I would prefer to get everyone's paper by April 29th, as originally scheduled.  But if
     you need a few more days, you may hand it in anytime up until 12:00 noon (no later!),
     Tuesday, May 4th (in my mailbox, right next to the MMB office).

     I. Social factors:

          One of the obvious issues we haven't discussed yet is that social values are
          different in different societies.

               What we value in the U.S. may not be what is valued elsewhere (it's
               gotten us into quite a bit of trouble in the past, and even today).             

               For instance, John Muir's approach to conservation may totally alienate
               someone from a different culture.

               A simple example is that values of wildlife might change quite a bit
               depending on wether one is hungry or well fed (particularly if one's family
               is hungry as well).

               Some simple examples:

                    In the U.S. snakes are often despised.  Rattlesnake roundups are a
                    popular event.  In India, cobras are often held in very high regard
                    (almost sacred).

                    Dogs are favorite pets in the U.S.  In many parts of south-east Asia,
                    they're food.

                    McDonald's has had a difficult time breaking into India since cows
                    are considered sacred (they sell burgers made with something else
                    in India).
               
               Even in the U.S. our attitudes towards nature can be shaped by such things
               as:

                    - living in rural areas, where there is more contact with nature (this
                    could be good, or bad from a conservation perspective).

                    - we've already mentioned tigers and grizzlies and things like this
                    (if you live here, you're all in favor of protecting tigers and
                    grizzlies.  If you live in the Sunderbans or Yellowstone, you may
                    think otherwise!)

                    - people in rural areas also may exploit nature more.  This is all
                    right so long as it is sustainable.  But the same folks may resent
                    "city-dwellers" telling them what to do.

               Values can often change, hopefully for the better.

                    - A good part of the environmental movement's success has been
                    due to the changing of people's values.

                         - Education is at the heart of this!

                    - Again, a simple examples:

                         - Wolves used to be despised.  Remember your fairy tales? 
                         It's not the "good wolf" that features in most of these.

                              - Recently our attitudes towards wolves has
                              "improved" considerably (except maybe for those
                              folks still living near wolves).

                    - This is one of the biggest sources of hope for the future - that we
                    can educate and hopefully change people's values towards their
                    environment.

                         - a lot of work remains to be done (what does a starving
                         African care about dessertification?  All he wants to do is
                         get wood so he can cook a meal for his family).

                         - still, without hope we should stop right now!

     II. The problem of subspecies and hybrids:

          So what do we do with subspecies?  Should these get the same consideration as
          full species?

               - in an ideal world, the answer would be yes.

               - the problem is that there are limited resources.

               - we should try to keep subspecies in mind when we set about
               conservation, but if there is a choice between saving a species or saving a
               sub-species, the species takes priority.

               - An example of a sub-species that went extinct is the Dusky sea-side
               sparrow (A subspecies of the sea-side sparrow).  

                    - On the other hand, as one web site points out, this even was a bit
                    of a disaster.

                    - The Dusky-sea-side sparrow was considered a separate species,
                    but upon further research, it was merged with the sea-side sparrow. 
                    
                    - Once this merger took place, birders lost interest in the bird, and
                    any concern disappeared until it was too late.  If biologists
                    (taxonomists) hadn't merged it, it's quite possible that pressure
                    from birders and ornithologists would have helped save this
                    subspecies.

                    - the whole thing is a little silly, depending entirely on whether or
                    not the dusky was a supspecies or species.  Not a good
                    conservation ethic.

                    - in fairness, attempts were made to set up a captive breeding
                    program and/or to restore marshes (flooded or drained), but they
                    were too late (5 males were all that could be recovered by the time
                    an attempt was made).

                    - Nevertheless, as a subspecies, it was probably not a tragic a loss
                    as otherwise (the taxonomists were probably right).  Still, it seems
                    pointless since the funds were there, just applied too late.

          The authors of your text argue strongly for saving subspecies.  A very powerful
          argument for doing this is to help preserve genetic diversity.

               - And if at all possible, an attempt to save sub-species should be made.  

               - Yet, if one has enough resources to save either a species or sub-species, it
               seems evident that there really isn't a choice.

                    - (of course we're assuming all else being equal, and that, for
                    example, we'll be equally successful with either one).

          What about hybrids?

               The answer here is a little more difficult.  Is it possible to reproduce the
               hybrid easily?

                    - for example, if the "parents" of the hybrid are not endangered and
                    can yield offspring anytime one wants, then a concerted effort to
                    save the hybrid is probably not that important, particularly if this
                    turns out to be expensive.

                    - We already talked about the Red Wolf a little.  It is thought to be
                    the result of a cross between coyotes and wolves.  

                         - Genetic information shows fairly clearly that the Red
                         Wolf is a hybrid.

                         - Nevertheless, there is still cause for controversy:

                              - Some morphological evidence and analysis of
                              fossils shows the Red Wolf having been around for
                              about 700,000 years.

                              - Increased hybridization between the Red Wolf and
                              existing Coyote populations have blurred the
                              genetic picture a little, though the analysis has taken
                              this into account and still found no evidence for the
                              Wolf being a separate species.

                         - Recovery efforts are also further confused by the fact that
                         Red Wolf populations that are released are diluted by
                         further hybridization with Coyotes.

                         - A lot of money has been spent on Red Wolves so far, and
                         many folks are saying it could be better spent elsewhere if
                         it's just a hybrid:

                              - The idea is that we can "reproduce" them anytime
                              by crossing Coyotes and Gray wolves, though that
                              doesn't seem to have worked that well (this should
                              give us pause!).

                    One of you also wrote your paper on a species of Agave that is
                    might very well be a hybrid - I'll save the details for the
                    presentation since this is a paper to be presented.

               Result: the issue is not clear.  One could make an argument either way,
               but:

                    - if it is obviously a hybrid, and can "re-created" any time by
                    allowing the "parent" species to breed, it probably doesn't warrant
                    full protection/consideration (if the parent species are fairly
                    common).

     III. Silliness with political boundaries

          Does it make sense for a country (or state) to list an animal as endangered or
          threatened if this animal is quite common elsewhere?

               - suppose that the range of an animal barely makes it into (say) Virginia. 
               Is it justifiable to list this as endangered?  If it is common (even a pest)
               elsewhere?  

               - Virginia seems to break things down into two categories, giving the
               global state of the organisms, followed by te state state (sorry) of the
               animal.

                    - For example, the Purple finch is fairly common elsewhere, but is
                    listed as extremely rare (and of concern) in Virginia.

                    - It is not clear (from perusing Virginia's web sites) what this
                    means - is Virginia actively trying to protect the Purple finch?

               - Remember the Virginia whitetail deer population that we discussed as
               being listed in CITES by Guatemala?  Should it be listed?

                    - the answer is not clear.  For example, Guatemala is clearly
                    interested in preserving its population.  

                    - However, probably no one else is!!

               - Another example from Virginia is the Wood turtle (several folks at GMU
               have been working on this one).

                    - Listed as threatened in Virginia, but not at the Federal level.

                    - Does this make sense?  We're kind of at the extreme southern end
                    of it's natural range.  Does it still make sense?

                         - The best answer: Maybe!

                    - The problem is that we probably want to keep it in Virginia, yet
                    the population as a whole is doing okay (sort of).  Do we want to
                    expend lots of money on this?

     III. Conclusions

          Hopefully, we've learned a little about:

               - the problems

                    - there are many.  We discussed lots of examples of species that
                    went extinct, are going extinct, are threatened, endangered, etc.

                    - let's also not forget that the problems are often caused simply by
                    people trying to survive.
     
                    - (Incidentally, I have a LOT less sympathy for folks who are
                    causing problems in an effort to make lots of money!)

               - a way to look at the problems

                    - we've discussed ways of looking at populations, analysis of the
                    problems including:

                         - life tables to try and figure out which way a population is
                         headed.

                         - the causes of lack of genetic diversity

                         - how to apply the above to try and figure out what to do

               - hopefully, a way to deal with some of the problems:

                    - ways of setting up reserves (incl. size)

                    - reasons to conserve (after all, you can't do anything unless you
                    can convince people of the reasons to conserve).

                    - other ways of dealing with problems (captive breeding, raising,
                    etc.)

               - throughout we've emphasized that to do anything, we need to know the
               biology of what we want to do.  Don't forget that!

               - Finally, two comments:

                    1) Consider the cost of doing nothing.  What will the world be like
                    100 years from now?  Remember, too, that the problem isn't just
                    dealing with the conservation of organisms.  This may mean some
                    sacrifices, particularly in developed nations (should we be driving
                    quite so many SUV's? consuming quite so much paper? steel? 
                    plastic?  etc.), but again, what are the alternatives?  Is it right that
                    we squander the world's resources?

                    2) A religious perspective - see the handout.  I find it heartening
                    that our different faiths can agree on some things!